He is giving me enough leeway so I am not really stressed about it, and since our test spank, I know what Im in for if I fail. Male rulership of women is common all over the world, because it is a result of sin entering humanity, just as God had predicted: God told the woman man would rule over her God was saying that was a result of the Fall. But not one has done so who has a remnant of the Spirit. It is interesting to note that a our lone wolf twister of Scripture is not content to merely advocate for and justify the abuse of wives (again, all application of coercive authority is abuse). At the very least, the reality is miles away from what you are trying to make it, please do your research. I imagine the biggest thing other women might be experiencing is that embarrassment, demoralizing, and feeling very disempowered. How does a husband exert authority over a woman? [redacted] mentioned a previous domestic violence incident that was reported by [redacted] on 06/01/2011, at approximately 2302 hours. Oh, come on, JA; Daisy of course speaks for all of us, which is why Daisy debates many of us, I believe myself included. I find this very insightful. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. And then after that we will spend several articles looking at cultural views of domestic discipline in America before the modern age. Christian Domestic Discipline / Spencer Respect and Submission in domestic discipline Respect and Submission are of particular importance in a marriage because the standard marriage vows for the bride always included the phrase to love, honor and obey her husband. Jamin usually keeps a pistol under the mattress and one on top of the refrigerator. Not to mention any basic understanding of Ezer Kenegdo where most of it starts concerning this issue. It was very difficult because it was not like I had a black eye or bruises. (ShhGod is referred to as an Ezer in the OT), But if one has a spiritual male head then I would have to assume they need the qualifying phallic guidance for such things. Your attempt to broad brush all who disagree with you as feminists does not work. Are you officially divorced now? Period. Uh oh. This makes it all more more important for the victim and her supporters to be persistent in calling for help, and politely pressing for the workers and the justice system to do what they can do. The criminal has relinquished consent by the act that requires justice. We have no set rules so to speak. Despite what you think, domestic discipline is not some sort of mindless activity done by brutal men and victimized women. He can even be a bit bossy at times. Im arguing that the word discipline entails a superior/inferior relationship and therefore not true consent. Why are saddle-wearing men seen as free agents, capable of free thought, in direction of their own life? campaign, Christian Domestic Discipline/Loving Wife Spanking in a Christian Marriage is not satire -- and I just can't get it out of my head. If you are currently living (or have lived) the Christian Domestic Discipline lifestyle and you would like to share how it has helped your marriage or relationship, please email your story and mention that you wish to share your experiences with other people. Watts' first-hand experience of Fundamentalist Christian male dominance is pretty sobering. Mark 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. It is based on my real-world experiences doing personalized mentoring programs with more than 20 husbands over the past 4 years. Junia was a female apostle who taught men. So anyway, of course God gives our husband and other authority persons who have our husbands permission to punish us. Did you meet your ex-husband at church or was he from outside the church? It's not a book on Christian Domestic Discipline, but on Domestic Discipline and was written by a woman. For example: Evil men do not understand justice, But those who seek the LORD understand all things. This 3. Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses. Reading this comment section is like reading a handbook of how liberal thinkers (and do not assume that I am a conservative), go about turning people who think differently than them into mentally sick people. There is no, Well you missed a load of laundry, or The dishes are dirty type spanks in our home. Because people are increasingly dissatisfied by the standard domestic arrangements proposed by social scientists are looking for alternative arrangements more in line with human nature. Slander and lies are his stock and trade and so it is with his children. Im not prepared to claim that lonely wolf is a child of the devil, but I do suggest that there is plenty of reason for the exercise of discernment. I guess I fail to see how the one couple in the galaxy that can carry this on consensually should override the millions of women that are in domestically violent relationships. Rather, please accept it as simply expressing a differing point of view. I am sorry. Christianity is a lot harder on women and children than it is for men, the men are living like kings and gods, promoting their superiority and rule while women and children are living like trapped miserable bottom kissing slaves. Now ( standard marriage) she refused to wash the until tomorrow as a result of this and her attitude the marriage is over. That is the irony. I think youd be surprised at how educated these people are. I do not want a world in which wife beating makes a come back with rage. And no, the experiences, however bad, do not nullify the word of God. Even praying to be able to forgive is a start. that. A Husbands Guide to Implementing Christian Domestic Discipline. There are in fact right wingers and conservative Christians who take the Bible literally yet who also reject the gender complementarian position (which is what you are advocating). In the beginning I would test him all the time to see if he was serious. I am the only one who has had the honesty actually to quote passages of scripture. Youre the one with issues and hang ups in regards to sexuality. Make sure that everything you support is not flushed down the toilet because of arrogance, intolerance and a misplaced desire for controlling peoples lives. Christian Domestic Discipline / Spencer Respect and Submission in domestic discipline Respect and Submission are of particular importance in a marriage because the standard marriage vows for the bride always included the phrase to love, honor and obey her husband. Do you have a problem with that? I have traveled to Africa, Asia, and many parts of the world. [I then asked Lauren if shed be willing to share her story anonymously.]. Were they surprised by it? As far as justice is concerned, I do not think that Rock was saying that Domestic Discipline is justice. :^). We had many problems. I would love to know what demonization that church is. Oh brother, that was too obvious. Our church also pushed heavily this idea of modesty even at young levels. In the Garden, the serpent went over the woman, she went over her husband, and he went over God. But often I would struggle or try to escape but he was big and strong enough to hold me in place and then would tell me I was getting more for disobeying and struggling. What can be done to safely expose these abusers for what they really are and protect these women. It is associated with the ego deflation experienced by one who really, really wishes to say something pointed and clever, but they just cant put their hands on anything of sufficient substance. I am right wing, conservative, vote Republican, am pro-life. Meanwhile, what Jesus called the two most important commandments are completely ignored. Classical Conversations #7: Business or a Non-Profit; Cult or a Christian HomeschoolGroup? Michael is worried sick over his wife's whereabouts, and he's determined to put a stop to her irresponsible behavior. I was in such a relationship for a while. In the case you need to discipline your wife while on a voyage, you know you can do so without attracting attention. And he would sometimes spout off this genteel junk about how men should be nice to ladies. It was not like he was drunk and beating me with his fists. Lets keep working on putting a stop to it. What was it like in my Patriarchal home, you ask? I really think this is biblical. I never forget the last time I tested him. So-called Christian domestic discipline occurs in a marriage when one or both partners use biblical support to rationalize an unscriptural and un-Christian lifestyle. But you dont know whether shes a Christian. Ben was instructed first to not spank me over my panties, but to spank me nude, and after about 2 swats I was crying enough to get Ben to stop. In light of this typical new customer journey, I think its reasonable to suggest that people choosing this lifestyle put much more thinking into their relationships and are more intellectually alert than the average person going the default way. You sit there on your high horse telling a survivor what her recovery should look like. We met through church but I dont know what his family background was. And if they fail to submit or they fail in other duties as wives they willingly accept Domestic Discipline. I love DD. I know it will be very, very enlightening to many people. Youre welcome, JA. A relationship that infantilizes a woman is one that clearly draws a more pathological group of people. Now here is the hilarious part you may have missed did you catch the guys credentials? I agree with you also but I dont agree on what some people say about pastors Spanking other peoples wives and brothers Spanking their sisters and son spanking their mothers I mean that just Blows my mind away right there I think if its between a husband and his wife only then whatever floats their boat more power to them, Ruth, how old are you? Keep asking, keeping phoning, keep knocking on doors. Sgt. He is the boss. Just like there are many realities behind the word marriage, there are many realities behind the term domestic discipline. Here is a tasty quote AGAINST wife-spanking: Jim Alsdurf, a forensic psychologist who evaluates and treats sexual psychopaths and is the author of a book on abuse in Christian homes, says CDD isnt about religionits an outlet for emotionally disturbed men with intimacy deficits. That is called assault and battery and is illegal. He blathered on in his books or blogs about how men should be heroic and defend women and girls like the men who gave up their seats on the Titanic, but he was sexually assaulting a teen-aged girl for years, and stalking her! Before we left he decided he had had enough and took me to our room and spanked me. If I put my wife in a french maid or indian princess outfit, am I not seeing, at least in part, a french maid or indian princess? This is really strange, as it seems the husband turned a non-consensual sex fetish into his personal gratification and not his wifes, while hurting her mentally and physically through some crazy fabricated punishment, Lets treat adults like adult and lets avoid the temptation of playing the role of God.. This tendency you have to talk about people practicing it as if they were some sort of deranged people or animals inferior to you. And should she submit and obey him if he asks someone else to punish her for something, including a spanking? Wife Spanking, Christian Domestic Discipline, Domestic Violence *** You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered. May we all work to protect women and expose this shameful sin and crime in our churches. Anderson told Jamin it was strange and very uncommon, for someone to make a statement about having someone walk into their hand hard enough to leave marks on their throat. Anger is not sin, although we can sin in our anger. But you havent provided us with any Scripture that supports your sexist views of women nor raunch, in the form of spanking, in the bedroom. And lastly the women whose fathers are not involved in these domestic discipline Lifestyles for your father to applaud your husband for laying his hands on you thats not normal none of this is normal. Bike Bubba, when your wife dresses as a french maid, you still see her, albeit as a french maid, and not Kim Kardashian or some other woman (and I really fear for your taste as well Kim Kardashian of all people). Finally, Daisy be more Christ-like; keep your nose out of my bedroom.. I am pretty sure that we will continue this lifestyle for as long as we live because it has done wonders for our marriage. People practicing Domestic Discipline are typically very mature and proactive people who really think through these aspects of their relationship. How Can He Learn It? I applaud you for wanting to help her. Most men want their wives to be happy. his God-given authority and actually lead.. When Jamin came home with a new laptop and never mentioned it to her she was trying to keep him accountable. It is not for you to determine someones path of recovery. On the one hand, they are too arbitrary (why should the age of consent be 15 and not 16 or 22, or even 30 especially since you suggest that even adults can be tricked into domestic discipline. Instead of, you know, just talking to each other. Its the word of God:. Thats a rule for ancient Israel, for young women still living at home with their fathers. Was your church aware of what was going on? Its not just me that talks about your husband having authority, Julie Anne. You went from your father as protector/provider/authority to your husband as protector/provider/authority. But he is a wonderful, loving husband and father, a great provider and well, being in charge just suits him. Ben and I agreed, but I wasnt sure how effective it would be, as Ben wasnt a good spanker. Change). Do you have any children? So the real question is, do you want to be shortsighted, or do you want to position the cause your serve in a way that will allow it to pass the test of time. There is a great website written by a former feminist who now lives this life with her husband, as well as their daughters with their husbands. [redacted] said the next morning Jamin made her wear a turtle neck to church so nobody would see the bruises. I soon found out that he was. I write about marital discipline in a Christian home at my website spankingyourwife.wordpress.com. Right now, you are in a state of intellectual intolerance that you try to justify by invoking science. Weenies are gettin chopped yall. Rock showed the stars and you looked at the finger. The professionals are the ones to turn to. My suggestion that the word forgiveness gets employed as an F word equivalent is not original to me. Its not right. Sex is much deferent for women than it is for men, it is often miserable, especially when the vomit on you thinks you have to be submissive to him like a dog or sex slave, and you cant tell him no! Your testimonial will be added to this blog so that other people can benefit from and be inspired by your experiences with Christian Domestic Discipline. You need to give their views more serious study and attention. maybe a directory of churches and communities, that still get it, would help . Jennas Punishment Spanking (Christian Domestic Discipline Marriage #1) During a disagreement, Jenna storms out of the house without telling her husband where she's going. Do not expect her to be silent through this experience though. But it gets even worse. Julie Anne, your visitors are in the main grindingly politically correct and feminist and you are the chief, so much so that you cannot see that the Junia site, advocating for the inclusion of women in leadership in the Christian church and for mutuality in marriage is not the slightest bit feminist and flying in the face of scripture (starting with Genesis 2:18 and 3:16 funny how many great verses in the Bible are 3:16, isnt it? Julie Anne, your visitors are in the main grindingly politically correct and feminist and you are the chief, so much so that you cannot see that the Junia site, advocating for the inclusion of women in leadership in the Christian church and for mutuality in marriage is not the slightest bit feminist and flying in the face of scripture (starting with Genesis 2:18 and 3:16 funny how many great verses in the Bible are 3:16, isnt it? Its the word of God: You think you are just but you are what the Bible calls a mocker. Its heartbreaking to read your accounts both here and elsewhere and if you were not in a rage it would be nothing short of miraculous. Why not? Certain things like really bad attitude, yelling at anyone in the house, throwing a fit when mad, or being disrespectful (especially in front of others) will all add up to a bad whippin after a while. Ive been exploring submission for some time, and the one thing that I have discovered above anything else is the fact that wifely submission brings harmony to a home. (Ill let her tell you one way or the other, if she wants to.). Im over 40 years of age and in charge of my own life. The abuse comes in different forms. Women and little girls suffer through the pain and agony of pregnancy and childbirth. I had to compose myself and return to where everyone else was knowing that they all knew what just happened. Biblical Principles Which Determine a WomansWeight, Biblical Principles Which Determine a MansWeight. It contains articles on spanking in marriage, as well as advice on leading the home. Pompous nothing, but nothing. It is almost enough to make me hope that the doctrine of eternal conscious punishment is true, at least for some whose evil actions in this life are especially egregious. My father made us go to church three times a week, and he read us the bible every night. And you just assume I am a man because it never enters your intolerant head that a woman could actually want to put herself under her husbands headship. They then work out a document, a 30-page document describing every aspect of the relationship (the superior/inferior nature and all its practical implications, when and how spanking is to be performed, what the man can and cannot do, what the woman can and cannot do etc). States have laws restricting what people in a position of influence can do with those they employ or counsel or pastor or treat. And people, please take seriously my point about not thinking of other folk when you are in bed. I have come to believe that there was a form of CDD/DD in the days of the bible. So he has this attitude, because he is about to bring them irrefutable proof (which you are not doing). The definition Im using with the word submissive is the biblical definition of that. Oh, and if lonely wolf comes here and puts you down like he has done to others, if he comes abusing you by accusing you, we will know that he is just one more supposed Christian who has elected to do the devils work where you are concerned. People wanna chop their weenie, so thats what they do. You see women in an inferior place. It contains articles on spanking in marriage, as well as advice on leading the home. Or did he simply say a prayer for him and his wife, that they would be able to work it out in a godly way? What a shame men have come along and subverted His purposes for women. Women do not secretly want to be controlled and desired. This podcast series is about the practical application of Domestic Discipline. The Bible does not teach that men have God given authority over women. Wait? Dad took off my slacks and panties and handed the strap to my husband. He did it in front of his children as they watched and cried, saying that mommies get spanked for bad behavior, too. I write about marital discipline in a Christian home at my website spankingyourwife.wordpress.com. In fact, if such anger is not expressed, it must be suppressedonly to come out sidewise at some unexpected time. Ben also has no problem spanking me long after I start to cry. Now I have a renewed confidence in our decision to live a CDD (Christian Domestic Discipline) lifestyle.Hubby also informed me that we are going to be working on a habit I have that he cant stand. Lone, there are a few Biblical objections to role playing, S& M, and the like. I love them but our relationship is often strained. That is inappropriate and now you are now in the doghouse. I understand it from a sexual stand point but to say because it gets your husbands frustration put and women need it so they release their emotions, that sounds like straight abuse. I do not find your opinion disguting, but I find this tactic disgusting. 1. Similarly, abusing men need to be taken to task (no, I dont know how, and in some cases they just never will be) but the fact of their existence does not mean God was wrong to say that the man is the head of the wife and that he shall rule over thee. Daisy, just where in the Gospels did Christ say, I say Genesis 3:16 is not to be followed any more? You write as though no woman in the Bible had any learning. If more husbands would do this, we would have LESS divorces and better marriages. Please be careful if you are easily triggered by topics of abuse. Just as our Lord washed the feet of His disciples, it wasnt to show that He was beneath them, but to show that real leadership serves. Regina, christianforums.net, 9. Well, 100pinkapples, lone wolf comes around to accuse you of being in a rage. The Bible says I must obey my husband in all things, our minister always repeats this in our bible study. I was so embarrassed! Even interpreting the Bible in an incorrect way as you do to read authority into the Bible, your view only addresses married mothers, and is not applicable or workable for never-married women, widows, the infertile, the childfree or the divorced. Rather he actually comes abusing by accusing. I didnt see it as abuse. Any marriage in which one partner is exerting control over the other IMHO is wrong. But through this, the emotional, physical, and mental connections between us are incredible, especially the physical. Here is my question to you: are you implying that the woman is a victim even if this situation and cannot truly consent? So-called Christian domestic discipline occurs in a marriage when one or both partners use biblical support to rationalize an unscriptural and un-Christian lifestyle. Domestic Discipline and the Bible Although defenders of domestic discipline argue that their lifestyle is biblically-based, many Christian religious leaders disagree. Church youth group leaders would tell young ladies that modest is hottest and make it clear that exposing any kind of skin somehow made a woman loose or of a certain kind. My parents had total veto power over what I could wear. This same pastor also told husbands to get control of their wives. Here is a challenge for you that will expose your hypocrisy: your argue that a woman can only be tricked into that kind of relationship. http://cryingoutforjustice.com/resources/safety-planning/, And if you havent yet started following our blog A Cry For Justice, we encourage you to do so. A Lone Voice, you have major issues with women having the right to say NO to men. But unlike the "Cry U.S.E." Please remember blog rules. This is the reason tolerance is essential if you want your ideas to pass the test of time. But I do not want a day when people wake up confused because women rights have been flushed down the toilets. At first I couldnt believe that women were advocating being spanked by their husbands and submitting fully to their authority. Guest Post: A DD relationship, where the HoH gets spanked. All of that IS ok? And the whole of Christian Eastern Europe and Russia. science is wrong on domestic violence because you said so? What does that actually mean? Jesus taught that followers of his are not to lord authority over each other, but you are advocating that. Did you even read the post? If kink is your thing, thats your thing, but dont sit there and try to convince me or anyone else you got kink from the Bible because you sure as heck did not. Men who push the defend women because women are little delicate flowers view rarely to never actually defend women. WebThen I went to college and met my husband James, and became a Christian. Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Some men have apparently abused their authority, therefore any men having authority is bad. It doesnt follow. When I asked abut their secret, the answer was usually a giggle and, You should take the class on preparing your self to be a Godly wife. When I took the class that is where the concept of a CDD relationship came from. I asked [redacted] how it made her feel emotionally, if she was scared for her life. (I dont have much time or interest right now to go through and read all comments left to me since I last was here, or comment on them all.) So-called Christian domestic discipline occurs in a marriage when one or both partners use biblical support to rationalize an unscriptural and un-Christian lifestyle. What do you pray when youre hitting your wife? In, the language of our marriage, in referring to this lifestyle choice, I tell my husand that I love being his baby. Its quite amazing that she had the strength to leave. its called, http://lisasjoydd.blogspot.com. - I know have a tremendous amount of respect for my husband. She knew her Bible inside out, she just keeps quoting the Old Testament over and over. Part of me wishes this practice of wife spanking waslimited to just one denomination so it could be easierto expose, but it is clear from the above examples that we cannot.
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