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To feed a bunch of dumb n***** that their own government won't even feed.'. HART MCKINNY: Yes, it's time. Harrington also publicly responded to Fuhrman's views that female police officers are unfit for police work because of their biological sex. Simpson trial. Two questions. Fuhrman, who in addition to the glove also found the blood on and in Simpson's Ford Bronco, was listed as a police witness by the prosecution in a form submitted to Judge Ito before the start of the trial. Torture, all kinds of stuff,' says Fuhrman. Why would he say that? The Fuhrman Tapes (with Transcript) from the O.J. Held her like this, threw the pitch down the stairs. Transcript Providers Return to Transcripts main page CNN Special Reports After O.J. [23:25:04] PHILLIPS: Tia Morris says she had to work with the men of MAW. PHILLIPS: What do you mean brief encounters? Excerpts From the Ruling on the Fuhrman Tapes, https://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/01/us/excerpts-from-the-ruling-on-the-fuhrman-tapes.html. The tapes include many racist slurs and remarks made by Fuhrman, including uses of the word "nigger," descriptions of police brutality perpetrated on black suspects, misogynist slurs and descriptions of the harassment and intimidation of female Los Angeles police officers by male officers. PHILLIPS: And whatever happened to McKinny's screen play? - Speaking about threats to police, 'She was afraid. 03:54 BST 30 Mar 2016 In the transcript, Fuhrman tells screenwriting professor Laura Hart McKinny about the investigation of a shooting at a housing project in Hollenbeck Division, which includes the Los Angeles. So to this day you don't know who gave you up, basically to the defense. FUHRMAN: Yes, the 77th leave that old station man, it's got the smell of niggers that have been beaten and killed in there for years. Why had he been allowed to behave the way he did for so long and not be held accountable? If it's not believed, I can't make somebody believe me. 'Four suspects ran into a 2nd story in a apartment projects - apartment. It's the man. They said, look, we've been saying all along that you use the n-word, that you lie and it took years after this to deal with it. And you go how could this have happened to us? HART MCKINNY: I have three sons. Simpson. PHILLIPS: And even one tape made just months before he would testify in the O.J. Just body shots. PARKS: My view was you didn't want to take the chance. . HART MCKINNY: No, I didn't even know what a split tail was. PHILLIPS: Decades later, are you glad you didn't destroy those tapes? It fails to support the admissibility of these incidents of alleged misconduct as prior bad acts or evidence of custom and habit. FUHRMAN: If I go down they lose the case. HART MCKINNY: No -- that I had to give them up. We have to be willing to be vulnerable. FUHRMAN: Stand around the dark parking lot of a baseball diamond drinking beer at 3:30 in the morning. HART MCKINNY: I didn't go out of the house for a while. It was a bombshell! I thought whoa. . PHILLIPS: What were you thinking when he was saying those things? Read Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial. . I remember you got a lot of death threats. PHILLIPS: So when you heard about men against women and this group of guys making it their mission to intimidate and harass women, did you believe it? PHILLIPS: There was a wealth of forensic evidence from drops of blood to shoe prints to a bloody glove. Fuhrman was the first cop on the scene. He even gave that response to the last question asked by the defense as to whether or not he planted evidence at Simpson's home. Items Introduced into Evidence Go for Shapiro, he's an a******.'. As a result, the defense team worked hard to discredit him at the trial, with lawyer F. Lee Bailey hinting through his questions during cross examination that Fuhrman might be a racist who planted the glove at Simpson's home. Wilshire division is all n******. PHILLIPS: Exposing alleged hatred. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a belly punch at the wrong time. PHILLIPS: Publishing the book was therapeutic, but disclosing the tapes, still painful. FUHRMAN: No, sir. - Describing suspect, 'Commander Hickman, was a dickhead. Celebrations she found unimaginable. Fuhrman was the cop who \"noticed\" a speck of blood on O.J. Simpson trial. In the tapes Fuhrman also made many references to the "planting of evidence" and implied that police brutality and evidence planting were common practice in the Los Angeles Police Department. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detective Fuhrman, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? PHILLIPS: It all began here at what was then Alice's restaurant. That is what we do. - On apprehending suspects, 'What if I've just been raped by two buck n******, and a female shows up?' - On gun control, 'These n******, they run like rabbits, some policemen just sit there and they look, you have to tell them what to do.' HART MCKINNY: There were bits of the puzzle I was unable to reveal at the time and I was unable to be as truthful as I really wanted to be. However, as noted above, the court retains some discretion in controlling the inquiry. Laura Hart McKinny, her tapes and recordings of Mark Fuhrman saying the "n" word. Simpson trial, and it made us look absolutely horrible within our minority community. We'd love to investigate just some good 'ol boy beating up a n***** in a bar."' This glove was later determined to be the mate of another glove found at the murder scene and to be soaked in the blood of both victims. So I just handcuffed him and went the scenic route to the station. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in preparation of your testimony today can you tell the jury how many times you counted that he used that word? Coming so quickly on the heels of the 1992 LA riots, the Fuhrman tapes forced the public to reckon with the specter of racism and police brutality all over again. Boys will be boys and we needed to tell the organization if you even claim to be engaged in this kind of behavior, we'll investigate it and let chips fall where they may and secondly, if it was within statute, then we would take it to the district attorney and file on it. Really is extraordinary, isn't it?' Was completing this book therapeutic for you after all these decades? PHILLIPS: Her 12 tapes would become a racial powder keg. FUHRMAN: We have factions in five divisions. PHILLIPS: Laura Hart McKinny tells all. "[8], Earlier in the trial, Fuhrman testified that he had not used the word "nigger" within the last ten years, which proved later to be perjured testimony with the admission of the tapes. PHILLIPS: And then you thought? [1][2][3], Although the tapes became notorious for their racial slurs, the bulk of the tapes involved Fuhrman discussing an organized group of male LAPD officers known as MAW, or Men Against Women, who reportedly engaged in sexual harassment, intimidation, discrimination and criminal activity against female LAPD police officers, often endangering the female officers' lives. I feel that often when I'm working. FUHRMAN: If somebody thinks enough of you they'll come up with some type of a name. Obviously he is lying the first two times. The glove is everything. Like in the locker-room, some new kid, you know. Simpson's house and search the premises. PHILLIPS: Including what to do about some unexpected advice. In the end no proof could be found that 17 of the incidents ever even occurred, and investigations into the other 12 did not find any concrete proof of misconduct. Meeting here at the park in the dead of night, what was your reaction? He didn't know where Fatburger was? - Describing his partner on the force, 'Westwood is gone, the n****** have discovered it. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:53:33] PHILLIPS: It was 1994. Simpson, including a bloody glove. Fuhrman and McKinny began meeting for taped interviews in February 1985 and continued meeting until July 1994. PHILLIPS: Impacting the trial of the century. We searched him again and found the gun. FUHRMAN TAPES The court has read and considered the Defense Offer Of Proof Re: "Fuhrman Tapes", the amendments to the original offer of proof, the responses filed by the prosecution, listened to the redacted audio tapes, read and considered the multiple transcripts of the redacted audio tapes, and heard the argument of counsel. He said you're never going to find a woman cop who's a good cop. Did he ever say why? The transcript and audio of that portion of the tapes was never released. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. HART MCKINNY: I would say it did. Fuhrman later describes the aftermath of the brawl, saying; 'We broke 'em. While Ito said he had heard all the tapes and had read all the transcripts, Uelmen said he wanted to go over them so . PHILLIPS: Fuhrman and others were not formally punished but Fuhrman's reputation took a hit. Why didn't you give him the 77th lie detector test? HART MCKINNY: Yes. To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. The court has reviewed each of the 41 uses of the racial epithet in question either by reference to the transcript(s), audio tapes or both. "You're either my partner all the way, or get the f--- out of this . Fuhrman, who is now 64, is also a frequent guest on Fox News. HART MCKINNY: It's an odd feeling, very odd feeling. The profanity-laden recordings took place over a period of almost 10 years, from 1985 to 1994. In another story Fuhrman admits that he will appear at trials and provide information under oath to support officers even if he does not know the information to be true claiming that unlike his fellow officers he knows how to testify. So then Mark Fuhrman comes up for a promotion and you look at him in the eye and say? - On a police division, 'He grew up in school with all blacks, and every time a n***** looked at him, he'd jump them cause he figured they were going to jump on him, so he might as well start the fight right now and get it over with.' How did we even let him stay on the job? Internal Affairs files secured by a reporter revealed that the LAPD has been regularly covering up serious problems of family violence, principally wife-beating, within its ranks," adding "officers who beat their wives are regularly exonerated or receive only minor suspensions, even for brutal acts of violence. 'Did you ever try to find a bruise on a n*****. Superior Court Judge John Reid said York was not relevant to the case after listening to the tapes, and the trial resumed soon after. PHILLIPS: They swayed a verdict. No, I want to be infamous. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He shined his light and just sat there. The LAPD announced that Fuhrman exaggerated many of the acts of racially motivated brutality described on the recordings. HART MCKINNY: Yes. HART MCKINNY: Right. All n******, n***** training officers, n*****( with three years on the job. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. That -- that part hasn't been good. Of the 29 incidents described in McKinny's tapes and transcripts, 17 could not be connected to known events. He pleaded no contest. - On racial makeup of LA, 'N***** drivin' a Porsche that doesn't look like he's got a $300 suit on, you always stop him.' HART MCKINNY: He requested I not give up the tapes. PHILLIPS: And then you lost on appeal. He is very capable of protecting himself. Numerous bones in each one of them. HART MCKINNY: Can I use all those? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The whole night he threatened me and he say I'll take you and any other females you want to bring up to the academy and I'll choke you all out in a minute, because you're not even strong. . Greg Lefevre, Correspondent . That is really their natural response. Go "on guard?" Get in a bar fight. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you're still trying to Market this? Mark Fuhrman was the detective in the investigation and would play a pivotal role in the trial. They're not trustworthy. PHILLIPS: So he made you get out at the scene. Aired 11p-12mn ET. FUHRMAN: To peddle this which is absolutely psycho? Fuhrman's actions and behavior were a key part of Johnnie Cochran's closing argument, where the lawyer suggested that the detective planted the glove at Simpson's home and described him as a 'lying, perjuring, genocidal racist.'. The nature and purpose of their relationship. That McKinny has had tape recorded and transcribed conversations with Fuhrman for the nine-year period between April of 1985 and July of 1994. d. That during the course of those conversations. PHILLIPS: Violent. PHILLIPS: As Bailey was grilling Fuhrman, no one knew about Laura Hart McKinny tapes, except for her and a few close allies. "Testimony of documentary film producer Laura Hart McKinney in the OJ Simpson Trial", "Excerpts from the Ruling on the Fuhrman Tapes", "Detective's Words Return To Haunt Him Fuhrman Tapes made Public As Judge Ponders Admissibility", "Fuhrman Led 'Klan' vs. HART MCKINNY: I was sitting outside working on my laptop and he was dressed in regular clothes and he sat down and I was like he seems like a nice person. PHILLIPS: Voices like Tia Morris. - On racial profiling suspects, 'How do you intellectualize when you punch the hell out of a n*****? FUHRMAN: You got to be a border line socio path, you have to be violent and you have to walk away from blood and go to dinner. Split, hide, yell, scream, and hide in the corner. Most things, hard lessons, are things that are thrust upon you when you don't ask for them and you have to react to them. When the LAPD officers were exonerated in 1992 the city exploded, then just two years later. I was scared only because of him standing up in front of all of our peers and the watch commander and other supervisors and he flat out said I do not want to work with Morris. HART MCKINNY: It's been an emotional journey. When I left, Dana goes, "No blood Mark.". Coming up Mark Fuhrman's behavior would no longer be just an internal problem. HART MCKINNY: Yes. Fuhrman was uncomfortable with the attention the trial brought to him and wished things had been different. Read Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial. In graphic passages from the audio tapes that have come to dominate the O.J. He even compared Fuhrman's actions to those of Hitler at one point in his speech. They're like caught in between it's like half in a door and half out. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You say on your oath that you have not address any black person as a nigger, was spoken about black people as niggers in the past ten years, Detective Fuhrman? Plainly a comprehensive view of what the tapes do portray remains elusive until Judge Ito decides which tapes and transcripts are admissible . . So your goal was to write a screen play about sexism within the LAPD. Then in 1991 there was this, a grainy video of four white cops beating Rodney King. In the transcript, Fuhrman tells screenwriter and professor Laura Hart McKinny about the investigation of a shooting at a housing project in the Hollenbeck Division, which includes Boyle. I was a reason the jury latched on to so they could feel good about themselves. PHILLIPS: Still a mystery? While this was connected to a known event, only one suspect was treated for minor injuries caused by another officer. The Fuhrman Tapes and the L.A.P.D. HART MCKINNY: I spent time writing here thinking about what it would be like for the MAW guys to be here. - On women playing football, 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed -- twelve in ten years. Then he and the other officers went out back according to Fuhrman and washed off the blood with a hose before returning to work. But I don't think he got carried away. - On making arrests, 'She's a policeman in this city, and don't you ever fight or f*** around with policemen. PHILLIPS: But before the recordings there was a relationship. Trial Transcripts Was she afraid potentially a murder could walk free, because of what these tapes represented? - Describing suspect, 'He was a n*****. As of mid-April 1995, all transcripts were converted to proper case thanks to PHILLIPS: This time the investigation resulted in officers being reassigned, including Mark Fuhrman, a fateful move with consequences that no one could have imagined. They also did not hear the 39 other times Fuhrman used the n-word tapes obtained by the defense. This is a digitized version of an article from The Timess print archive, before the start of online publication in 1996. PHILLIPS: Coming up, tribunals and kill parties. Aug. 25, 1995 . UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Flames are jumping about 25 feet in the air -- PHILLIPS: A city torture by a history of racial rage. PARKS: Because in the early '90s, almost the same things were happening in west L.A. That were happening in the '80s and you heard rumors about women being mistreated and not given an opportunity. PHILLIPS: Nobody stood up and said hey, don't back down. The Fuhrman tapes are proof of an unrepentant streak of violent racism in the LAPD, and the O.J. During the course of the presentation of the prosecution's case in chief, Fuhrman testified without objection that he had not used a particular racial epithet in the past 10 years. And you are going: Where do you live? But then I really saw how serious Mark Fuhrman was about the other men talking to the women. The Fuhrman Tapes with Transcript - O.J. 'I'm doing the one thing that I can - I can do. That is just right out. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:13:35] PHILLIPS: Making it in Hollywood was screen writer Laura Hart McKinny's dream and she knew exactly what her movie should be about. PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman roll playing as the quote grand dragon, leading what he describes as a tribunal, calling out a fellow officer for fraternizing with a female cop. Did you ever at any point feel I need to report what he is saying? Judge Ito's first ruling on the Fuhrman tapes . The specific racial epithet at issue is perhaps the single most insulting, inflammatory and provocative term in use in modern day America. Stop them. . Investigators did link 12 accounts to known events, but their investigation was inconclusive, aside from the use of racial epithets and male officers' misogyny towards female officers, which was substantiated. Two of my buddies were shot and ambushed, policemen. I didn't know what I was doing. . A competent woman cop I think is more accurate. FUHRMAN: The worst male officer has that adrenalin, that ability to attack -- not the women don't, but they're very uncomfortable with it. So a month and a half after the murders, Fuhrman tells you this. He should be shot. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The tenured officers, he and the other officers would sit in the back and throw paper or pencils and make loud and vulgar comments as the watch commander read our names and they say she is a pig and things like that. 'Grabbed her by the hair and stuck a gun to her head, and used her as a barricade. HART MCKINNY: I have a business relationship with him. PHILLIPS: In 1983 she was new to the force and ready to protect and serve in west L.A. at roll call, rookie officers like Morris sat up front. PHILLIPS: But Laura Hart McKinny would get much more than chills and a dramatic screen play. HART MCKINNY: He asked if in that story I had research tapes and if I had taped Mark Fuhrman. Anyone can read what you share. This is bomb shell evidence and absolutely critical. Simpson trial, reportedly makes racist comments on the tapes and refers to alleged incidents of police brutality by the LAPD. FUHRMAN: I assert my Fifth Amendment privilege. She also called for an independent "blue-ribbon commission" to investigate gender bias and sexual harassment issues at the LAPD.[14]. PHILLIPS: Today, no longer a screenplay consultant, or a cop, Fuhrman, who declined to be interviewed for this program, is an author. HART MCKINNY: Good afternoon Mr. Cochran. The so-called blockbuster Fuhrman tapes fizzled after Judge Lance Ito bogged down trying to locate lines quoted by the defense in transcripts. He didn't get out. Simpson was found not guilty? PHILLIPS: Did she see the writing on the wall? So who told Pat McKenna you had these tapes? I really don't. Simpson Trial? Simpson's defense team argued that Fuhrman planted the glove on Simpson's estate following the murder. The court's examination of these 41 uses reveals not only the racial epithet itself, but a context that only adds to the insulting and inflammatory nature. MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I'm saying, sir. At one point he also makes disparaging comments about the looks and work ethic of a female superior, Captain Margaret York, implying she advanced in the ranks through sexual favors. PHILLIPS: Why would he want to keep talking to you for so many years? It was revealed around this time that she had completed her screenplay based on her interviews with Fuhrman, for a film she had decided to call Men Against Women. In one instance, Fuhrman reported that a suspect was beaten to death and three others were hospitalized with broken bones.

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