Esau was always inclined to be violent and wrathful. Ezekiel 35:6 Context. is a long sad and sorry record of history. again suffered the destruction of the temple and the city of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.. He was an earthy man, and a phallic sort of a man. These people have always harbored a genocidal hatred of the covenant people of God. we see in Esau back then and in our culture today? had tricked him out of both his birthright and his blessing. end-time? And where are they to be clustered today? There is not even defended in some radical Christian circles. But it has only been for the past 1300 years of their 4,000year history. In order to discover the truth we must do our own homework. At its essence the Edomite identity is a spiritual way of feeling, thinking, and acting. The Edomites are people who have entrained within them a certain spirit. photo journalists keeping an eye on things and snapping photos of nasty events. As Yair Davidiy and Steven Collins have documented so well another highly sophisticated society will arise in the latter days, assume world dominion, He ordered his army officers to slaughter of all the priests of Nob immediately. "Patriot" bombers and abortion doctor assassins retaliate in kind and are -Ps.91 We can be sure that even in spite of Esau's vendetta A landmark N. of Judah (Joshua 15:10), W. of Kirjath Jearim and E. of Bethshemesh; the ridge between wady Aly and wady . Here is our scripture from Micah 2:12.13. the caves up in Petra anymore. He was drawn into the character and ways of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. David was being pursued by King Saul. Haman is another example of an Edomite, even worse, an Edomite from that vicious sub-family of Edom, the Amalekites. it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, 5 Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end: 6 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and . Hopalong Cassidy and Roy Rogers have passed away. restoration of Israel. Then too Americans, being freedom loving people, were unprepared initiate martial law in Vietnam. So Esau is forever angry. what are we to surmise - Obadiah 1:18. Contact me: openbibleinfo (at) gmail.com. God states the truth of the matter. We know from the Millennial prophecies that there will be a highway running north and south of Israel These were his own countrymen, his own priests! And he gave him a "left-over" sort of blessing that provide us with some clues. We do not see them living as troglodytes in The people and the spirit that hovered over them have gone from their ancient dwelling places! And now it is time to tell the 'rest of the story'. Esau was Isaac's firstborn and his favorite son. If we take a look Because He is both King of kings and High Priest. Genocide of good people and innocent unborn babes and infants area night bombing raids no attempt was made Even before the Assyrians came many had heard the prophets and decided to leave. pledged to kill Jacob and that theme runs right up to a climax in the age. Allah is capricious. He is also prone Far from deserting us the Holy Spirit will be More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! The genocidal plot he hatched to trap and kill all the Jews in the kingdom is well known. And the prophet Ezekiel wrote in Ezekiel 35:7-9: "Thus I will make Mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it the one who leaves and the one who returns. They are forever angry at God, angry at Israel, and they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men. Dresden until the whole city, Dear saints. - Dan.11:41 But it is exceedingly important that we know that These unsavory phoenix operations had to be secret and small. This is a little known piece of history. Did Esau nurture within his bosom any love of his ancient homeland? 2 Responses expressing themselves in the nations. NIV - The spirit of Esau lives on in the lives of many people. . Let us look at the coming The spirit of Esau is insatiable in committing acts of murderous Under this horrific policy women and children were Our apostle Paul informs us that the last days will see an unprecedented Edom (/ i d m /; Edomite: DM; Hebrew: m, lit. If we had visited the land Then they will know that I am the Lord." far from Jerusalem and Judah. And if so, then are we prepared to run the risk of becoming an Edomite ourselves? Four, and last of all because Mount Seir "rejoiced" when Judah fell to the Babylonians! They have moved on to other geographical regions. The Assyrians Our own children are forgotten He then proceeded to kill every animal in Nob. Mount Seir is specifically noted as the place where Esau made his home (Genesis 32:3; 33:14, 16; 36:8; Joshua 24:4). of Babylon 50 miles south of Baghdad in modern Iraq. Upon discovering that David had passed through the town and for His own. Nor do they seem to want to know where they came from. Let us ask ourselves this question as well. evidence that Edomites with their profane disposition, their simmering wrath and anger, could well be a vital This is why the people of the West nurse a certain jealousy of the Jewish house. But according to the Holy Scriptures In ancient times Bozrah was a city near the Dead Sea. in Saul's army. enclosure that had kept his sheep penned up during the night. 14 "This is what the Sovereign Lord says: The whole world will rejoice when I make you desolate. But right now Sleeping Beauty is asleep. Or might Bozrah be one single your brother, (i.e. Ezekiel 35:15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, [even] all of it: and they shall know that I [am] the LORD. His covenant with the nation of Israel. So the search for the Edomites should go way beyond our obsessions After the destruction of the Temple in 586 B.C. They had no command of Edom still contests for the souls of men. The significance of this area in the Tribulation is Petra, the ancient rock city carved out of the red mountain rock. are growing to be a people without natural affection. Because of the small dataset, it's best to use this chart for general trends; if one identification is trending much higher than the others (in this case, region around Jebel esh Shera), then you can probably have higher confidence in the identification. Where is Esau to be found today and how do we identify them? DELIVERANCE OF HIS ELECT AT THE SHEEPFOLDS OF BOZRAH. Is Edom We have the end-time prophetic scriptures of Edom in Daniel 7:21, Micah 2:12,13, and His is an awful and tragic story. a king who should have known better. network of places around the world out of which God delivers His exiled remnant people? And this war had a lot of reporters and get his food by taking it down as hunters do. The spirit His name was Doeg and he was an Edomite. The first time we see the pre-incarnate Christ, the Angel of the Lord, He is appearing to Hagar, The Arabs are destined for ultimate redemption. dismembers and sucks out our unborn children into blood spattered bottles. He preferred to 'take down' what he wanted in the wild. populace. (Rev.16:9) Is Most Bible commentators have ignored Esau and Edom as a factor in the American reporters and cameramen forever. Transvaal in South Africa by Lord Kitchener. We are not to recognize them in any racial way but by spiritual discernment, one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. a living human soul or animal left in the city. in a fit of jealous rage, a king who once was spirit filled and sang ptaises to God along with the prophets of Israel, The scriptures give us no basis whatsoever for thinking that the spirit of Edom has ever The New Moody Atlas of the Bible by Barry Beitzel. they have broken up, and have passed through the gate, and are gone out by it: the signs of this changing of the guard. It appears that anger against Jacob will indeed be a part of the end-time global scenario. part of the apocalypse. can be stopped. Because you have had a perpetual hatred, and you have shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamities ( Ezekiel 35:5 ), And that's always when they would strike, when they were in trouble. So as we search out the story of the Edomites we need to keep an open view here. In Gen 32:3, it's also called the land of Seir. The war was ending as the firestorms swept through German cities. "Your blessing and dwelling shall all come from the fruitfulness of the earth He stepped forward to respond to the order. Unlike their brethren in the lost ten tribes the people of the Jewish tribe, the tribe of Judah, Nor have the children of Esau ceased from Esau was a wild man. slaughtering there was not The Babylonians have grown up and moved out. Babylon is another interesting issue. Or is it for fear of political, civil and marketplace disturbances? This is just as Isaac prophesied. He Such was, and is, the homicidal anger of the sons of Esau. even sitting on church pews among the Judeo-Christian people in those rich countries of the West. Today the Edomites are no longer to be found there. And in those cowboy westerns might we be able to discern It has not yet been addressed or expounded upon He doesn't have time for the holy things of God. Mount Seir is the subject of a terrible prophetic curse pronounced by Ezekiel (Ezekiel 35), which seems now to be literally fulfilled: "Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, O Mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will make thee most desolate. And this matter of the Edomites will no longer just ancient history. or pacification or bribery? Burckhardt counted 40 cities in Jebal all now desolate. both the Western political powers and our Laodicean and those ancient family interchanges in rocky wastelands of Jordan. Seir is Edom (cp. And only in this spiritual campaign will the saints be successful. These people have a wonderful future. It may be represented today by Qusur Bashair, which towers lie some 15 miles Southeast of Dibon. But the hidden roots of European race escape their understanding. 11:41) hustler, predator and "bad guy". And Bible teachers are also silent about the significance of the Messiah They are brethren to the Jews but do not know it yet. will rise up against all godly men. And you shall serve/(be subject to) your brother; Only the coming of Messiah, first into human hearts, and then to reign upon this earth, See Dan.7:21, Dan. So here we are attempting to trace another important people group, the Edomites. They Crusaders even attacked their long lost home city of Jerusalem. truths. Was his ancient land Modern Jordan is a desert wasteland. Footnotes Because you have had a perpetual hatred, and you have shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamities ( Ezekiel 35:5 ), And that's always when they would strike, when they were in trouble. 2 Son of man, set your face against Mount Seir; prophesy against it, Asked October 15 2015 Are we living in the millennial kingdom at the present time? bombing campaigns against German cities were genocidal. open a passage out of the sheepfold just as the new day is dawning. then historians can go ahead and write their epitaph, but not before. Data. and refuge for His Elect people. in southern Israel two millennia ago. back in Mesopotamia, the cradle of civilization. Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth. Deuteronomy 2:1 Then we turned, and took our journey into the wilderness by the way to the Red Sea, as Yahweh spoke to me; and we encircled Mount Seir many days. be found in nations such as ours. (Jer.30:7) The two OpenBible.info His descendants would end up dwelling in rich countries. have seen in this past century and particularly in recent times we shall Politics cannot resolve this problem. German cities by night. In this case Beth-gamul would be identical with Jemail, 8 miles East of Dibon, and Beth-meon with Ma`in, Southwest of Medebah.W. But this does not exhaust the much wider in the politico-religiou marketplace and be easy for Westerners to swallow. anything that lifts up the banner of holiness or righteousness. Esau Most desolate = desolation and desolation; Ezekiel 33:28 For I will lay the land most desolate, and the pomp of her strength shall cease; and the mountains of Israel shall be desolate, that none shall pass through. Everything to him is a "raw deal". pronounces God's ultimate and total doom on him. Can he be stopped by negotiation The great Diaspora took place after So where are the Edomites today? He cares By the time the Edomite had finished disdain for the mores of general decency and consideration for others they And that story will be recorded in the books of holy history to be preserved for all eternity. Only the invasion of Europe by the allies did that. Where did they go from their homeland in Mount Seir and Bozrah and Petra? Could they be those nasty bad guys with the black hats? of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. as we have noticed. Well late in the great tribulation 4 I will lay thy cities waste, and thou shalt be desolate, and thou shalt know that I am the LORD. Because you have had a perpetual hatred, and you have shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamities ( Ezekiel 35:5 ), And that's always when they would strike, when they were in trouble. Gestapo style administration to rule over the Vietnamese villagers. We see a merciful smiling Allah one minute and righteous beheading Allah the next. So these people not only deserve the truth countries including Europe and the U.S? What does it mean, Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children? He prophesied over his firstborn son Isaac. across the face of this earth. Yes, this is sad but true. Laodicean religious establishment sources Geocoding He will rise to the occasion even as the history of this age comes to a climax. including the asphalt roads, were all burning as a huge single mass of flames? Esau's spirit is forever angry. He is Haman was a prominent Edomite in the service of the Medo-Persian rulers He sees them at the end of the age. Certainly the Edomite spirit has and still does track down through families. He just never gets over it. Lest we become comfortable in our own sense of They were capable of monstrous acts of cruelty this past century has seen genocides too numerous to recount. eye. hunter, the hustler, and the predator. into the end-time we must know that. of cities did not stop the German required to bring in the global rulership necessary for peace. He also comes in wrath and vengeance against We can recognize the Edomite spirit as it expresses itself though people and through the culture. Jacob is Esau's twin brother. ranging soul. we can look up and view the world around us. It all erupted at the Breach of Jeroboam around 920 B.C.. It was conquered by the Medo-Persians in 586 B.C.. We know he will return with a vengeance when he breaks free More specifically we know for a certainty that the children of Esau, the Edomites, will be remember who they are. 35 2 The destruction that shall come on mount Seir, because they troubled the people of Israel. There were exceptions to this. Jacob will be the one who in his tribulation will seek God and embrace 9 I will make you a perpetual desolation, and your cities will . A long forgotten history lies shrouded in the mists along with a repressed memory of a terrible wrenching Lord Kitchener elected to deal with this by So, that being the case we had better get serious about discovering where these people are and how we are to recognize them. and at Jonesboro. arise to prominence among the antagonists of the Judeo-Christian people. Of course we do! Does he put his trust in guns and military armaments first and of innocent Boer women and children Similarly, Mount Seir is now just a desolate wilderness. in their assessment of Esau's character. God is still sovereign. children of Bethlehem is a well known part of the Christmas story. this genocide? Ezekiel 35:8 But he was not finished. They ruled over the Jewish nation in Judea with an iron fist. So here is the bottom line. territory of Edom. Martial law is the only way to win a guerrilla war. The Judeo-Christian people have been enormously blessed by this in their system of common law and the peace the faith 1 The word of the Lord came to me: They have a deep spiritual problem which cannot be resolved without accepting the inner rule of Messiah. Labs Ezekiel 35:7 New International Version (NIV). It is time for the long awaited breakout! But Edomites were never renowned as a people of gentle shepherding of flocks. He will deal justly. This is an incredible story of a divine deliverance that beggars description. It will happen during the great End-Time Revival of the latter days. what can we expect from them? Today it's in modern day Jordan. It must be policed by military patrols, carding of citizens, and a Gestapo or Stazi style police force. law, and a program of terror using reprisals and random hanging or shooting of citizens after any attack on the occupiers. have passed by. that scholars and historians have found it expedient to throw into the dustbin of history. Numbers 13:17 And Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan, and said unto them . Most of its former territory is now divided between present-day . are modern wars becoming less a contest of armies on battlefields and more and without feeling or showing any remorse. It is the wild hustling exploiting spirit of Esau. He is prone to rages around the world. And it shall come to pass, when you become restless, These measures do break the will of the captive nation to fight. still remains a hidden secret. At this stage she does not seem inclined to wake up and remember. Rejecting the blood of atonement for sin he remains bloody minded in himself. Then you will know that I am the Lord 7 I will make Mount Seir a desolate waste and cut off . These round the clock firestorm a son of Abraham. Is this a proper way to treat Holy Scripture? Mount Seir is the high range from the S. of the Dead Sea to Elath N. of the gulf of Akabah, on the E. of the Arabah, or "the plain from Elath and Ezion Geber." . Could It will be into our modern era in the 21st century that the Edomites will return. They were scattered again by the Romans in the following years. 1901 saw the first concentration camps for civilians. I will stretch out My hand against you and make you a desolate waste. Because of this Obadiah the prophet his business or work partners, or those who are in authority over him. The British government, (not the Germans), were the perpetrators. It is now becoming a matter of grave concern in our schools. Let us move forward to the time of Christ's first advent. seeing raging against the nation of Israel. taking the northern ten tribes captive. that this present world system has dealt him the short straw or a "raw deal". And his name will change from Jacob, (shyster, supplanter, trickster), 70th week of Daniel? In Islam, as in other religions, there is no cross to unify justice and mercy as we have in Christendom. In the attempt to trace and locate a people group a good historian will not remain totally fixated on the ancient And so The war was unpopular and under close scrutiny by a free unembedded press. of Jacob, being still restricted to their ancient borders this does not seem likely. Consider the Jewish people, the children of the patriarch Judah. Just where did the children of Esau go? Special forces did exist. it is no secret that modern historians of a liberal secularist mindset don't like the Puritans. Harry" come to mind. (Is.63), Ezekiel 35:3 and tell it, Thus says the Lord Yahweh: Behold, I am against you, Mount Seir, and I will stretch out my hand against you, and I will make you a desolation and an astonishment. Being penned up in a sheepfolds controlled by Edomites might not be the nicest place for painted the final seven years of this age as nothing more than a chamber of horrors. This chart only reflects the sources I consulted (listed above), not an exhaustive review of the literature. But nevertheless, that is what many Bible teachers want us to believe. I was not taught this in British History class in grammar school. We know that they are out there. Are they here with us among the people of the They know that they have been named Caucasians. The prophet Daniel tells been destroyed. This outrage by destroy all life on the planet. So given the present day politics of the Middle East the assertion that the Arabs are the Edomites may sell well They rejected the rule of the House of David thereby cutting off their sovereignty in Israel. . God will give him So as we have seen with Israel, histories push people across rivers and mountain ranges. -Mic.2:12,13. Clarify Rather than being a single mountain, the name Mount Seir refers to a mountainous region stretching from the Dead Sea, which lies between Jordan and Israel, and the Gulf of Aqaba, at the northern tip of the Red Sea. The Edomites of the Did Esau have a holy city? Esau has against us that God is our refuge and our fortress. The Jewish Tribe of Judah presents a different story. This is the driving force of end-time Esau. In Biblical times this was the land of Edom. [1], Coordinates: .mw-parser-output .geo-default,.mw-parser-output .geo-dms,.mw-parser-output .geo-dec{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .geo-nondefault,.mw-parser-output .geo-multi-punct{display:none}.mw-parser-output .longitude,.mw-parser-output .latitude{white-space:nowrap}301103N 351900E / 30.1843N 35.3166E / 30.1843; 35.3166. -Dan.7:18 & 22. Here again is that blessing which Isaac pronounced over his firstborn and favorite son, Esau. and Rebekkah his mother. He'd rather be out hunting! After many dispersions, persecutions, and migrations our Jewish brethren still retain the Torah, the Tenakh, And it will change! They are gathered together 3 And say unto it, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O mount Seir, I am against thee, and I will stretch out mine hand against thee, and I will make thee most desolate. as the days grow more and more evil. The Scriptures declare that the children of Esau, In this act of spiritual neglect he showed that he had very little interest in his spiritual inheritance. The years to come will see the and fits of anger and the people close to him are at greatest risk for his domestic violence. Here is the point that must be hammered home. And yet the Bible clearly speaks of a resurgence of the very same worldly spirit of Babylon. powers could it be possible that we might be likely to be drawn into It would have been very hard to get regular U.S. soldiers to get into the and the dew of the heavens above. striking at the British by day and being supported by But Daniel speaks about it. And they will return with a vengeance. The eventual outcome was inevitable. This Bozrah story is as much a part of the the Ezekiel 35:7 chapter context similar meaning copy save. And they could not be hidden from the (2Thes.2:3) Mount Seir. people are going up to witness in the latter days. the books. He was motivated to "go out and get" things rather than to establish things and watch them grow. They were unwilling or unable to dominate the Vietnamese civilian They will seek the Truth and find Him. self-righteousness what can we say about the case. Esau may well be the stereotypical See this article. This is known as the time of Jacob's trouble. Mount Seir was named for Seir the Horite, whose offspring had previously inhabited the area (Genesis 14:6, 36:20). Is So it does not fit the bill here at all. God alone will set the limits on his actions. After all, ostensibly they were fighting to win freedom for the people of South Vietnam. None of them were shown any mercy whatsoever. apostasy against God. The isobands you see on the map (gray areas with dark borders) attempt to give you confidence where a region is. break free of his brother Jacob and come to prominence in his own right. The name Jacob means, "heel grasper" or "supplanter". It has been cloaked in a shroud of secrecy. See 2Tim. and the flames roared in towards the center of the city. Why not? Deuteronomy 2:5 don't contend with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as for the sole of the foot to tread on; because I have given Mount Seir to Esau for a possession. 2. Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. Esau was a hustler, an exploiter of others and what others had, rather than a nurturer of plants and animals. the God of Jacob? This page attempts to identify all the possible locations where this biblical place could be. and more turning into contests over destruction of cities? wiped out or died out or had become totally assimilated by another nation German occupation of France and Europe during World War 2. Which scenario fits the spiritual description of "the The characters played by So we must take the time to do our homework and take this responsible action ourselves. breaks them out in the manner of the shepherd breaking open the rock And I will fill its mountains with the slain; on your hills . his ancient homeland in the Middle East. Is it possible that the Edomites continued to track along with all the lost tribes of Israel basking under the birthright blessings of Israel an opportunity to show before men and angels just what is inside him. IVP Old Testament Bible Background Commentary (2000): Oxford Bible Atlas, Fourth Edition (2007), Westminster Historical Atlas to the Bible (1956), Zondervan Encyclopedia of the Bible (2010). time the key players will be different. Antichrist for his dark agenda? Jacob was a man of the flocks and herds. will struggle again just as they did before they were born when they wrestled men in black are gaining popularity. Esau's descendants are a different story. Maybe for a while. So even though people groups and nations are no longer to be found within their ancient borders It is difficult to imagine that the sons of Esau are still to be found corralled up within their rocky ancient borders southwards from the Dead Sea. They were drawing the authority for their tyrannical excesses from Rome, the superpower of the time. corralled up within their rocky ancient borders southwards from the Dead Sea. Esau is the quintessential They have gone on to other places. They have apparently locked the Edomites up in ancient history and thrown away the key. Nor can an epitaph can be written concerning the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel. have completely neglected it. as a leftover blessing Was this anything other than a program of sheer terrorism? from (off) your neck.. He was a wild man. Coloured lithograph from, The Holy Land, Syria, Idumea, Arabia, Egypt, and Nubia, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mount_Seir&oldid=1147753212, This page was last edited on 1 April 2023, at 23:44. night. What other evidence do we have of genocidal wrath in modern history? So what can we say about the children of Esau? the Edomites? shaking his fist at God. We can discern their spirit and sense their presence as it impacts our culture. The two boys were Jacob and Esau. Where is Goshen today, where the Israelites were living within Egypt?
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